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Errors in the summary of the featured article
he ran to return to parliament. American English. Per MOS:TIES should be BrEng he stood to return to parliament Spicemix (talk) 09:42, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Quite right. Gog the Mild (talk) 09:45, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
The text begins with "The École Polytechnique massacre". If you mouse over that link without clicking, either here or in the article, it says "French-language text". That is wrong. Mousing over normally tells you what article you will get if you click. But clicking the link doesn't give you an article about French-language text, nor does it give you an article written in French.
In edit mode, you'll see this is caused by template:lang, which is used 3 times. According to template:lang#Links, the lang template isn't even working when it's inside a wikilink like that, so you wouldn't lose anything by removing the lang links. The fix suggested at Template:Lang#Links doesn't seem to apply because the examples are entire links in another language, but here the word "massacre" is English. So unless someone has a better idea, I could just remove the lang templates that aren't working anyway. Art LaPella (talk) 07:03, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Or yuo could not. @Art LaPella:, please do not change featured content unilaterally. Paging relevant parties: @FAC coordinators: and @TFA coordinators . SerialNumber54129 10:00, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- I've changed from '''[[École Polytechnique massacre|{{Lang|fr|École Polytechnique|italic=no}} massacre]]''' to '''{{Lang|fr|[[École Polytechnique massacre]]|italic=no}}''' (thus École Polytechnique massacre to École Polytechnique massacre) which gets rid of the problem. This is possibly temporarily unless someone finds a better way; as "massacre" is a cognate from the French this isn't problematic, per se. - SchroCat (talk) 10:25, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- This is a browser problem, not a content one, and that change has introduced an error. "massacre" should not be treated as a French word because, in this instance, it's English. The target article's lead has
'''{{Lang|fr|École Polytechnique|italic=no}} massacre'''which, being syntactically and grammatically correct, should be used here: École Polytechnique massacre. Bazza 7 (talk) 10:52, 30 November 2024 (UTC)- Read the opening comment and come up with something that doesn't cause the problems that began the thread. - SchroCat (talk) 11:14, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- @SchroCat: I did read the comment, and have pointed out already that this is a problem with the reader's browser, not the content. The content generates
<a href="/wiki/%C3%89cole_Polytechnique_massacre" title="École Polytechnique massacre"><span title="French-language text"><span lang="fr" style="font-style: normal;">École Polytechnique</span></span> massacre</a>- The browser uses any inner-most "title" attribute to generate a tooltip; so for hovering over
École Polytechniquethat will be French-language text, and for hovering overmassacreit will be École Polytechnique massacre. - The tooltip functionality is not a part of the code generated. We must not be led into generating inaccurate content purely to overcome the behaviour of certain browsers.
- The simplest solution to satisfy this non-error is to remove the language tag from around the establishment's shortened name which was also its shortened name in Canadian English at the time of the event; so:
'''[[École Polytechnique massacre]]'''giving École Polytechnique massacre. Bazza 7 (talk) 14:17, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Read the opening comment and come up with something that doesn't cause the problems that began the thread. - SchroCat (talk) 11:14, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- This is a browser problem, not a content one, and that change has introduced an error. "massacre" should not be treated as a French word because, in this instance, it's English. The target article's lead has
- Art LaPella, that is Friday's (6 Dec) TFA not Wednesday's? JennyOz (talk) 13:21, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes which is the correct date. Secretlondon (talk) 13:31, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Friday 6 December. - SchroCat (talk) 14:16, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes which is the correct date. Secretlondon (talk) 13:31, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Bazza_7 is correct about this being a browser issue. What should probably be done is to modify the template concerned so that it is possible to supress the title attribute, by writing, say,
''[[École Polytechnique massacre|{{Lang|fr|École Polytechnique|italic=no|title=no}} massacre]]''; or possibly better still by simply removing the title attribute completely. I have raised this on the template's talk page; see Template talk:Lang#Issue with use in links. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:27, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
Errors with "In the news"
Errors in "Did you know ..."
Errors in "On this day"
Errors in the summary of the featured list
Errors in the summary of the featured picture
General discussion
Accessibility: We could so do much better
Of the five images currently in the home page only one has anything like suitable alt text.
The current alt texts are:
- File:Bird notes and news (1912) (14562015579).jpg
- Lord Curzon, winner of the election
- File:2014 Rallye Deutschland by 2eight 8SC0443.jpg
- Thierry Neuville in 2014
- File:Presidente Nayib Bukele (cropped).jpg
- Nayib Bukele
- File:Shropshire Scotsman.jpg
- The Flying Scotsman
- File:Sir Winston Churchill - 19086236948.jpg
- Black-and-white image of Winston Churchill standing with his left hand on his hip and his right hand resting on the back of a chair
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Three of the first four simply repeat the image caption, which is redundant, while the fourth adds "in 2014", which cannot be determined from looking at the picture, and in any case belongs in the caption, if anywhere (why would a blind person need to know that, but not a sighted person?).
What needs to change for things to improve? Do we need to write clearer guidance (we have an MOS page on alt text already)? Do we need to add an explicit check to the criteria for inclusion? Something else?
I'm sure we wouldn't tolerate frequent breaches of other parts of the MOS on the home page, yet the impact of doing so for alt text is far greater, for a proportion of our users, than things like inconsistent capitalisation or curly apostrophes. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:33, 30 November 2024 (UTC)