Talk:Sukhoi Su-27

Su-27SM3 in Syria

>A squadron of Su-27SM3s was deployed to Syria in November 2015 as part of the Russian military intervention in the Syrian Civil War

Nonsense. 1) There were only 12 Su-27SM3 built in 2012. Unlike upgraded Soviet built Su-27SM they had new engines. There were rumors about upgrading to this version 36 old planes since 2017 but I heard nothing if it really started. Technically it can be just routine complete overhaul with replacement of all electronics and engines. As I understand all Soviet-built Su-27s which are not planned for write-off goes through that. 2) At least one such plane was demonstrated to B. Asad personally for unknown reason in 2017. May be as a potential military help to Syrian Air Forces. But you can't determine from satellite photos if it Su-27 or Su-35. Su-27SM flew from Russian air bases over Iran as bombers's escort but it was never reported about basing Su-27SM or SM3 in Syria outside aforementioned single plane. 85.140.3.109 (talk) 06:15, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

US pilot dead reports of 16 October 2018

I do not know why I am keep reading newsreel that on 16 October 2018 a Su-27 crashed in Ukraine killing a American pilot. The US airforce does not confirm the death of a US pilot, they only "confirm a U.S. service member was involved in this incident". Not that this service member has perished. (More US airforce press releases can be found here.) — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 19:56, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Doesnt really matter its not noteworthy enough for inclusion in this article unless one of the pilots already has a wikipedia article or is notable enough to have one writen which is unlikely in this case. MilborneOne (talk) 21:39, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

If an American pilot did die flying a non-US Sukhoi Su-27 of another airforce, is this notable enough to put into this Wikipedia article? Although I find it hard to believe the US airforce would take the risk of making one of its pilots a co-pilot on a Ukrainian airforce plane (as the newsreel about this accident suggest). — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 21:51, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Not sure why a foreign pilot dying in a Su-27 is noteworthy not exactly that rare an occurence over the years. Exchanges of pilots between air forces is not that an uncommon thing and sadly some have died but none of the were noteworthy for inclusion in the related aircraft article. MilborneOne (talk) 21:55, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for these insights MilborneOne. As might be obvious.... I know close to nothing about military aircrafts and their airforces... It is great to have an expert like you here on Wikipedia (I checked out your user-page). — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 22:40, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Operators map

In the Operators section Mongolia described as a current operator of the aircraft. However on the map it is shown grey. I think it should be blue (current operator). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.199.67.192 (talk) 10:20, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Supermaneuverability

The Flanker is not a supermaneuverable aircraft as mentioned in the first sentence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.248.12 (talk) 23:29, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

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Su-27SM3 Radar

I have not found a single source from UAC, Sukhoi, NIIP, or the Russian government/military that claims the SU-27SM3 uses the Irbis-E radar. I have found some english language media sites like the National Interest which made this claim, and Russian news outlets which reported the contents of the National Interest article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:9880:1A40:21:D7EE:A749:1F8A:CFA5 (talk) 06:33, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Pronunciation of "Су"

There is a common misconception about how Russian aircraft are supposed to be pronounced. The "Su" in Sukhoi aircraft is not an acronym. It is Су from Russian transliterated into English. As such, this aircraft along with all other Sukhoi aircraft with Су in their aircraft designation are pronounced like "sue" in English. Note that all the aircraft pages have an uppercase S and a lowercase u. That's not standard for how acronyms are used anywhere in English so I don't know why some of you think this is a special case. It's not. It's pronounced Su just like how it's spelled. Not S.U. By Russian convention it is an abbreviation of the manufacturer. They pronounce it like they would the first part of the full word. If you want to claim it's actually an acronym what does it even stand for? If you can't even come up with an explanation stop reverting my correct edits.24.233.97.244 (talk) 13:19, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

This is the English Wikipedia, pronunciations (and modified spellings) are as they are used in English language, this also applies to article titles, Cologne in Germany is not titled Köln or pronounced as Germans would. I served almost 25 years in a NATO air force and have never experienced these Soviet/Russian aircraft company abbreviations pronounced as words apart from MiG. Procedure-wise you have been reverted by three editors and have not established a new consensus to add these changes. To air your views to a larger group of editors you could start a thread at WT:AIRCRAFT. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 16:45, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

See unified discussion at Talk:Sukhoi Su-57#Pronunciation of "Су".  Mr.choppers | ✎  16:47, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

"Tailed delta"?

How is an Su-27 a tailed delta aircraft? It's a grey area but I always saw it called a swept wing jet. A delta has straight trailing edges. If this is a delta it's both cropped and with a substantial amount of the trailing edge removed. At what exact point does a swept wing stop being a swept wing and start being a delta? Because a MiG-19 could be a "delta wing" if you want to think of it as a delta with the trailing edge cut at an angle. The main basis of a delta is a swept forward edge and a essentially straight trailing edge. Some people argue that an F-15 isn't actually a delta and that's only because the outer half of the trailing edge sweeps back very slightly. The Su-27 has substantially more trailing edge sweep angle and it covers the entire wing, it's a moderately swept low aspect ratio wing. Not a delta. Although I doubt functionally there is much difference. Idumea47b (talk) 21:24, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

I tagged that part of the sentence since the citation at end does not mention "tailed delta wing" configuration anywhere (or just "delta"). Thanks -Fnlayson (talk) 01:19, 3 December 2024 (UTC)